so i said, michael, i can't, i can't promise that, i mean, i will ask mr. mandela. so i go to him and i say look, i don't really know elizabeth taylor buzz michael jackson does but he says if she comes he would like to accompany her and he said would be fine, who is michael jackson? you can see him. >> jerry, he later told me the story of meeting elizabeth taylor and again this is nelson mandela, man, can you imagine, me, nelson mandela, meeting elizabeth taylor. yes, right. you know, when we were trying to change the image of south africa to come out of the, you know, apartheid era, one of the tactics that we wanted to use was to show all of the beautiful visualizations of south africa by getting on tv in many countries around the world. so we signed a five-year contract to do ms. world pageants at sun city because we would get into all of those television markets and we could show the animals and the culture and the food and all positive reinforce this one of the a favorite things when he would meet the 90 girls each year and then after the second year, when, you